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Offline Darshe Martin

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Reply #9 June 01, 2018, 06:23:07 PM
Your avatar is better monster than Emlai...

Oh yes, the Siralim 2 starter... That was a great monster indeed! ^.^
I totally agree with you. Emlai isn't great at all, I just like the design. God knows that I like the Crusader design as well, but unfortunatelly I haven't met one yet, at least as a life mage. ^-^
I think Blood Crusader is the first one you meet.
He's decent, and still better than Emlai. Very similar, but much more effective.
Always has Leech and Mend, and recovers 100% more HP from those buffs.

I'll keep an eye out for that monster! ^-^
So far I've only seen it with my death mage in the early floors, so I am not sure when it will start to appear for life mages, but it certainly would be a good fit.
Also, by the way, your idea with the speed build is working fine so far! Thanks for that. ^.^

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Reply #8 June 01, 2018, 04:49:29 PM
Your avatar is better monster than Emlai...

Oh yes, the Siralim 2 starter... That was a great monster indeed! ^.^
I totally agree with you. Emlai isn't great at all, I just like the design. God knows that I like the Crusader design as well, but unfortunatelly I haven't met one yet, at least as a life mage. ^-^
I think Blood Crusader is the first one you meet.
He's decent, and still better than Emlai. Very similar, but much more effective.
Always has Leech and Mend, and recovers 100% more HP from those buffs.


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Re: Life Mage Too Weak?
Reply #7 June 01, 2018, 03:16:30 PM
Your avatar is better monster than Emlai...

Oh yes, the Siralim 2 starter... That was a great monster indeed! ^.^
I totally agree with you. Emlai isn't great at all, I just like the design. God knows that I like the Crusader design as well, but unfortunatelly I haven't met one yet, at least as a life mage. ^-^

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Reply #6 June 01, 2018, 01:56:41 PM
Hm, might not be a bad idea to go full speed for the time being. I might try that. Thanks for the suggestion.
I still hope that Emlai's trait will get a buff eventually. He looks so awesome and I would hate to swap him for a better monster somewhere down the road.
Your avatar is better monster than Emlai...

The Life Mage Perks aren't anything you can't get elsewhere. Need attack negation? Ankhol has it. Need spell negation? Vortex has it. And you don't have to invest hundreds of perk points. There's even a creature with Chastise.

The same thing can be said of MOST of the heavy-investment class perks. Echo? Just use multicast. 3 random buffs? There's a creature that does that. Creatures turn into a new creature on death? Creature does that. Get a boost when all your creatures are same family? Sphinxs.

Perks are in ADDITION to the various traits. The main thing is that currently certain classes are extremely pigeon-holed into a certain build - Life mages HAVE to build to take advantage of their huge healing gains. Death Mages HAVE to build into Saia. Unlike in Siralim 2, where while Life Mages could build into heavy healing, they could also build into cleansers. Death Mages could build into avoidance or strong wreckin parties. Ect.

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Re: Life Mage Too Weak?
Reply #5 June 01, 2018, 01:02:49 PM
Hm, might not be a bad idea to go full speed for the time being. I might try that. Thanks for the suggestion.
I still hope that Emlai's trait will get a buff eventually. He looks so awesome and I would hate to swap him for a better monster somewhere down the road.
Your avatar is better monster than Emlai...

The Life Mage Perks aren't anything you can't get elsewhere. Need attack negation? Ankhol has it. Need spell negation? Vortex has it. And you don't have to invest hundreds of perk points. There's even a creature with Chastise.

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Reply #4 June 01, 2018, 09:59:46 AM
Hm, might not be a bad idea to go full speed for the time being. I might try that. Thanks for the suggestion.
I still hope that Emlai's trait will get a buff eventually. He looks so awesome and I would hate to swap him for a better monster somewhere down the road.

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Reply #3 June 01, 2018, 01:03:58 AM
Life mage has swapped to being extremely defensive based. You no longer have the old res perk, instead having a bunch of "Avoid stuff/don't die", along with all that bonus healing (4x bonus healing, +50% health as a barrier, ect).

Because of that, it seems that Life is a much more late-game oriented mage build - The Spirit Family really boosts that up, and I didn't see my first spirit until the 40s.

Personally, since Forest Priest and Bard Balladeer seems to be some of the first starter creatures, I would suggest a speed-oriented build until you get enough deity points to unlock the full power of Life, at which point it seems that you become effectually immortal against anything, providing you are immune to Blight.

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Reply #2 May 31, 2018, 01:09:55 PM
I was really looking forward to playing a life mage, since that was my favourite class in Siralim 2, but I can't help but feel that it is a fair bit weaker than the other classes.
I haven't tried sorcery, but all other class perks and especially starting creatures seem far superior to me. Anyone else who feels like that, or am I just playing wrong?
So far the only way of doing some damage is to always use the shellburst skill, that you get from having that Imp Hexer in your party.
Perhaps, considering the extremely passive trait of Emlai (which seems like a faaaaar worse version of the Sand Giant trait anyway), giving the player a more offensive second creature might help.

But as I said, it might just be me. I've switched to chaos anyway, but I kind of miss being life still...
Life is quite weak, especially starting out. The Life godling creature is a bit weak, as well.

IMO, Sorcery is the best start, Chaos, then Nature. Death is good too, but you have to grind up a bit of Perk points and doesn't start to hit stride until about floor 16 when you can get to Erebyss.



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Life Mage Too Weak?
Reply #1 May 31, 2018, 12:34:02 PM
I was really looking forward to playing a life mage, since that was my favourite class in Siralim 2, but I can't help but feel that it is a fair bit weaker than the other classes.
I haven't tried sorcery, but all other class perks and especially starting creatures seem far superior to me. Anyone else who feels like that, or am I just playing wrong?
So far the only way of doing some damage is to always use the shellburst skill, that you get from having that Imp Hexer in your party.
Perhaps, considering the extremely passive trait of Emlai (which seems like a faaaaar worse version of the Sand Giant trait anyway), giving the player a more offensive second creature might help.

But as I said, it might just be me. I've switched to chaos anyway, but I kind of miss being life still...